I expect many people will have been hotly debating the EU referendum result on Facebook with friends and relatives, just as I have and the following is the text of a message that I posted recently and which should effectively silence any whinging on the part of those who voted Remain:
“To all my friends and relatives who have for the last few days been bemoaning the fact that the democratic decision of the British people did not concur with yours, and who have been tempted to side with those cry-babies who are accusing the older generation of ‘screwing over’ the younger generation, let me ask you one question:
“Have you taken the time to read the Consolidated Treaties of the European Union, i.e. the small print applicable to our EU membership?
“If not, you made your choice from the standpoint of ignorance and should pipe down until you know what you are talking about.
“Have you ever wondered why our political elite never ever tried to encourage you to read the small print?
Are you only now beginning to wonder why it is that they only ever focused your attention the woolly-minded, romantic sounding nostrums that made the whole project seem so attractive?
“Because that’s what con-men do, until it’s too late for you to pull out of course, but thankfully, we found an escape clause, just in the nick of time!
“Have any of you even taken the time to read Article 50 of the Consolidated Treaties? … No?
“Your future prosperity may depend on it and so I would advise you to do just that and when you do, you will realise having read those five short paragraphs that the elites never intended that a member state should ever try to escape the bureaucratic tyranny of the EU. There is no established framework for withdrawal. This issue has been left deliberately vague, like a pre-nuptial agreement that says, ‘if you don’t want to stay in this abusive relationship with me, you leave entirely on my terms!’
“That’s how loving and caring our would be masters are.
“P.S. The following link will take you to a pdf file containing the Consolidated Treaties of the EU, enjoy!”
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/228848/7310.pdf
Please feel free to copy the above message and post it on your own Facebook page. Let’s encourage the cry-babies to grow up!
By Max Musson © 2015
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drquartz
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In fairness I only skipped through the ‘Consolidated Treaties of the European Union’, but the bits I did read were not to my liking at all. I took the trouble to look up the backgrounds of about 10 of those 28 unelected and unaccountable ‘commissariats’ who sit behind closed doors and govern 600,000,000 people in Europe. All those I read about had been (or still were) very left wing, and some (perhaps in their early years) were communists. You have to ask where their sympathies lay today. They may have modified them outwardly, but make no mistake the EU is a type of communism.
I found no end of stuff about the EU on the web, some clearly spurious, some quite believable.
I’m afraid the text of Article 50 is beyond me, and indeed most people I would think, with 80,000 pages. Long agreements are made by lawyers with the sole purpose of tying Mr Average in knots. As an idea, Max, do you have anyone – unbiased – who can write it out in a simple everyday style? I think it might be too complex for that.
I was one of those who voted enthusiastically for the free trade of the Common Market, back in 73 (?), and I still believe in it. We were assured by Heath that it was only for trading, nothing more. I do recall my parents voting against it because they felt there was something sinister and evil about it. Clearly they were right. But I was young, and like all youngsters ‘I knew it all’. I’d just spent 10 years in Germany in the Army, and got to like Germans and their way of life. I felt we could learn a great deal from them. The cars they produced seemed to be superior to ours (I was a mechanic), as were other goods. There was no internet then for research, and indeed so much was ‘secret’. Even food stuffs didn’t have ingredients listed as I recall. So I was basing my vote on ‘instinct’ and ‘experience’ although I hadn’t realised the latter was a little short.
I was no different to any youngster. I knew best. I wanted more/better than my parents who didn’t know anything. Unfortunately, they did. I was wrong. I have really spent 40 years regretting that vote of mine. Todays youngsters are saying that ”the old farts have ruined their future”. Firstly many of them didn’t bother to vote, secondly even fewer of them bothered to read up on anything – because ”they are young and know it all”!!! and thirdly ”these old farts” are the ones with the life experience, who have seen this net closing over the years.
I know Cameron spurious little booklet that everyone received convinced more than a few younger members of society that they might have to forgo cheaper phone calls and holidays. What a tenuous way to vote! I find that very sad.
Is it a coincidence that from the mid 70s the history curriculum left out the Magna Charta ? What an incredible piece of our culture and history – not recognised by the EU. I wonder why not? Neither is Habeas Corpus recognised. The Bill of Rights is another (attempted to be washed over by Cherie Blair with her ” Oomin Rights Act innit”). Younger members of our society have no comprehension of what these documents are or signify. Many have never heard of them. I find that appalling. And before anyone pulls me up about going to a ”posh school” or ”private education” let me disabuse you….Brownhill Road School, Catford, SE London and I was a poor pupil.
Max Musson
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Hello drquartz, the first EU treaty was the Treaty of Rome, which was established in 1957, but signed by Ted Heath on behalf of the UK in 1972. Since then there has been the Treaties of Luxembourg (1987), Maastricht (1993), Amsterdam (1997), Nice (2001) and Lisbon (2008). These later treaties are not stand alone treaties, but are additions to and modifications of the original Treaty of Rome, and a version of the Treaty of Rome as modified and added to by all the subsequent treaties is called the Consolidated Treaty (or Treaties) of the European Union. If you follow the link I provided, you will see that this runs to only 336 pages, although the volume of EU legislation that has followed since our membership of the EU began, amounts to literally millions of pages.
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Article 50 is accommodated in just half a page. It is as I have explained composed of just five paragraphs that have no bearing on the terms of withdrawal except to establish: that the government of the member state wishing to leave must notify the European Council of its intention to leave; the negotiation of the terms of withdrawal should be completed within two years, although this can be extended indefinitely if the member states remaining accept this unanimously; and to establish , i.e. by a simply majority or a qualified majority, the basis of voting within the member states that are remaining. That is it!
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Article 50 places the member state leaving in a very precarious position. To use an analogy, in which the EU is a cruise liner, the UK is a party of passengers who don’t like the ship and want to get off, and the small print on their holiday contracts is the Consolidated Treaty, the cruise ship company have effectively made no provision in that small print for anyone wanting to get off and as a starting point for negotiation are suggesting that the party who want to get off could simply jump overboard!
NEWS Reporter
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In any case the A.D. 1689 Bill of Rights (still extant), clearly states that –
‘no foreign prince, person, prelate, state, or potentate hath, or ought to have, any jurisdiction, power, superiority, pre-eminence, or authority, ecclesiastical or spiritual, within this realm.’
[If you can’t get hold of the original documentation try reading Select Charters Illustrative of English Constitutional History written, arranged and edited by William Stubbs, Oxford at the Clarendon Press.]
Therefore all EU directives issued by decree as instructed in Article 50 and elsewhere is EU fraudulent documentation are null and void by default in England and do not apply to the native Englishman and are not legally binding in any way whatsoever.
However somebody put their signature to the Lisbon Treaty and other agreements without regard to English Constitutional Charters, Laws and Rights and that is where the problem may lay.
drquartz
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I must admit that most of those ‘treaties’ had blurred, but I remember each being introduced and thinking at the time that it wasn’t for our benefit that these were being drawn up. I also realised that each one bound the member states that little bit tighter.
I wonder if it was this Maggie Thatcher was referring to when she was heard to remark ‘If only they knew.’
Indeed, I am convinced that when David Cameron said ‘We’re all in it together.’ he did not mean you and me. He meant all the European leaders and the 28 dictator commissariats in Brussels.
Jim Gardner
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The late 17th century was a difficult period for Scotland. The country’s economy was relatively small, its range of exports very limited and it was in a weak position in relation to England, its powerful neighbour (with which it was in personal union, but not yet in political union).
It’s a great pity the Darien Scheme (1690 -1700) hadn’t been before the 1689 English Bill of Rights. It’s utter failure bankrupted Scotland and brought about full union with England in 1704. If Full Union had taken place before the English Bill of Rights It would in all probability have The British Bill of Rights — or at least included Scotland. This would have kicked into touch all the claims and half hearted rhetoric by the SNP (well, approx half of their membership) about independence and this current grandstanding about remaining in the EU.
The claim is that 62% of Scots voted to remain in the EU to 38% to leave. That is the figures of those who voted., but the true percentage of the Scottish people eligible to vote was approx 42% to remain in the EU, reduce the leave vote by 20% the leave vote would have been 28% So come the crunch the non voters approx 30% of the voting population could well have changed the vote result in Scotland!
What a difference this would have made to the situation today. Great Britain — all areas voting to leave. Northern Ireland I’m sure, would have had a different result with better canvassing in the knowledge that the other sectors of the UK had voted LEAVE. .