Immigration Debate Skewed

Most people will aware that there is occasionally debate about immigration within the mass media, but few will be aware of the way in which this debate is carefully controlled in order to dissipate any impact it may have upon the public consciousness.

The discussion which took place on BBCs Question Time on 17th January this year is a typical example of the kind of sanitised and neutered debate that is allowed.

Question Time viewers will have witnessed a British woman, Rachel Bull take issue with liberal academic, Mary Beard (both pictured above) over the impact of immigration on the market town of Boston in Lincolnshire.

After hearing Cambridge University professor Mary Beard airily dismissing claims that migrant workers were overwhelming the town, office manager Mrs Bull is reported to have almost leapt from her seat, waving her hand frantically in the air until she caught the attention of presenter David Dimbleby.

“Boston is at breaking point,” she said, “all the locals can’t cope any more.”

“You go down to Boston High Street and it’s just like you’re in a foreign country. It’s got to stop. The services are at breaking point.

When Mrs Bull finished speaking, her words were enthusiastically applauded by the studio audience and Mrs Bull was prominently reported in the press in the days that followed, as this report from the Daily Mail testifies.

Furthermore, just two weeks later, following reports from the 2011 Census for England and Wales that Polish is now the second most widely spoken language in Britain, the issue of immigration was again discussed by the Question Time panel, with much of the debate focusing on the anticipate flood of EU immigrants from Rumania and Bulgaria once restrictions are lifted in January 2014.

So what is sanitised about the debate taking place here?

The sanitised aspect of this debate is that the focus in these and an overwhelming proportion of all mainstream debate about immigration in recent times has focused on immigration from Eastern European countries, where the immigrants are White.

We are permitted and to some extent encouraged to express antipathy towards immigration when the immigrants are White people, but discouraged when they happen to be of an alien race or ethnicity, and this is completely illogical.

Immigrants from Poland for example, do present British workers with competition for jobs, coming as they do from a country in which the national average wage is less than half that in Britain according to Wikipedia, but relatively little damage is done to the fabric of our nation by Polish immigration because despite the language difference, Poles are very similar to us in terms of racial composition and ethnicity.

Clearly, Polish immigration into Boston and other places has been mismanaged and a serious problem does exist as a result of a large number of mostly single men arriving in a small community without the facilities to cope. However, despite the disruption this has caused, Polish immigrants have the potential to assimilate into British society without there being a lasting transformation of the character of our society. This cannot be said of immigration from the Third World which has wrought far greater disruption of Britain’s larger towns and cities, which has resulted in the large scale displacement of British communities and the creation of permanent ethnic minority enclaves, inhabited by peoples who are racially and culturally unassimilable.

The debate on immigration has I believe been deliberately skewed by the mass media and the authorities, in order to distract the British public from the most threatening and iniquitous aspects of this issue and thereby contain debate at the most trivial level.

The results of the 2011 Census showed that Polish is spoken by 542,000 people in England and Wales, however debate on this issue of language has ignored the fact that more than 1,638,000 immigrants to Britain speak languages from Asia and North Africa. Which then represents the biggest threat to our native culture?

Due to the large Roma and other gypsy populations of the southern states of Eastern Europe, immigration from those countries is more problematical, but the assimilation of Polish immigrants will not as already stated, significantly change the genetic composition of our nation.

We British have an unsustainably low birth rate at present and despite short-term disruption in terms of the logistics of assimilation, immigration from countries like Poland of even substantial numbers of White people of child bearing age does not present a long-term threat to the existence of our nation. Indeed, in certain respects and if we continue to produce too few children of our own, it could be argued that we should welcome such immigration as a way of bolstering our numbers.

Therefore we should resist attempts to deflect us from this most pressing danger and ensure that our concerns and the concerns of those around us remain firmly focused on stopping and reversing Third World immigration, bringing with it as it does, people who are of an entirely different character in terms of race, ethnicity and culture.

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By Max Musson © 2013

6 thoughts on “Immigration Debate Skewed

  1. It is funny you should mention this, as I was going to write something about it myself.
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    This was after the Jeremy Vine BBC Radio 2 debate this thursday, which I am sure you can find on the play again feature until this thursday coming.
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    All the controlled clichés there were from both the presenter and the guests, plus the seemingly obligatory lies and sweeping statements about historical immigration to this country.
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    Apparently we are a “nation of immigrants” and that “everybody here has at one point in history come from somewhere else” – and of course, the ‘Britons’ are lazy, feckless, work shy. Not to mention these immigrants come and pay for our ‘pensions’.
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    Of course, we are not a “nation of immigrants”. Of course the argument that “we all came from somewhere” is a complete red herring and also detaches the rights of a homeland to anybody anywhere.
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    Statistically, according to the Office for National Statistics, the ‘white British’ are the most employed group per their ratio in the country – often in low paid employment and doing various jobs “nobody wants to do”, just like they have been for hundreds of years. Pakistanis and Blacks are around 3 to four times less in (official) employment, with the Somalis being the worst group of all.
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    The argument about “pensions” has been blown out of the water more times than the shark in the television re-runs of Jaws 2.
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    Like a shark ravaged boat, the argument about pensions does not hold water and never did. (I think it was once said that if we imported people to pay for pensions on a perpetual basis, by the end of the century we would have at least half the planet living here. Do not quote me on that, but that was the kind of thing).
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    But on the media, this is what flows. People are brainwashed, they are given these memes and reinforcements of the arguments and the issues. All the lies, all the stereotypes, the ‘controlled’ debates over the Polish immigration and such nonsense as ‘language translation’ and ‘integration’ – as though those are the problems (not the massive immigration itself).
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    This is why when you debate with many people, they trot out the same garbage like trained parrots. They think they are speaking their own mind, but they are not, they have been trained to think a certain way. They often have not investigated anything for themselves.
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    Given the high numbers of unemployment in the ethnic minority populace, it cannot be escaped from that the ‘Polish’ are coming here doing the jobs that the descendants of previous ethnic minorities and immigrants do not want to do.
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    Nothing is said about that. Nothing is mentioned about the non-white tsunami sweeping Britain.
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    Little is said about the destruction of our industrial base, lack of training schemes or the liberal decay of our societies which has led a world leading nation of people to be “Vicky Pollards” (which itself is a sneering anti-white stereotype figure dreamt up by white and Jewish liberal comedians, seeing as Matt Lucas who plays the character grew up in a Jewish Reform household and went to school with David Baddiel and Sacha Baron Cohen).
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    Little is said about the diabolical standards of education in this country and the creation of a society where our youngsters can find it hard to compete with the foreign educated populace from such places as Poland. I am not suggesting children do not work hard, but sheer volume of work does not necessarily equal high attainment or knowledge, nor the capacity to “think” independently.
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    Many employers are saying they find students brought up in recent decades to be useless at taking and receiving instructions, this is especially true of certain ethnic minority students. I have seen it myself, where school leavers are dossing around on their iphones, doing the bare minimum, arguing over whether it is their job to sweep the floor or empty the bins, showing up late or not at all.
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    It may be my age (now 35), but there seems to be a ‘new breed’ of our young. Something has gone wrong somewhere, and I blame the social-cultural revolution that has been going on.
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    Little is said of the governments abandonment of duty to their electorate, or their complete lack of democracy when it comes to such monumental effects of race-replacing our cities to our minority status within the space of 60 years.
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    Nope, they have it sewn up nice and neatly. They control the narrative, the acceptable discourse, the focus, the soundbites, who gets to talk about it and who doesn’t, who they invite on or not, what kind of style to tackle issues in.
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    For example, I heard a preview to a Radio 4 debate aired Monday night (which I did not end up listening to) about immigration. What line did the notoriously left-wing Radio 4 take? – The problems? The issues? How the British felt about it?……
    …….No. It was themed from the angle of immigrants themselves and why they had come here and chosen Britain. This included the “melting pot” nondescript cities where everybody is from everywhere, and so on and so forth as a reason for coming!
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    Talking about our issues as nationalists is extremely hard in this hermetically sealed environment we are in.
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    Many people just do not know how to think outside of a particular boundary and those who know there is something not quite right about what is going on are often therefore left devoid of the skills of being able to defend why they think and feel it is not right. They often become easy meat for the opposition, and back down very easily when challenged.
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    I have long felt it is our duty as nationalists to present our case, give people the right tools, allow them some mental jujitsu and a sense of righteousness that we are good and decent people who are realistic about the world (and the way it works) and unapologetic about saying so and standing up for our rights.
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    Whilst matters of overcrowding and welfare etc are part of an argument, those matters are not enough. There is a video from 1962 called “England – Whose England”. In that, we have various people stating it is not about colour, but that you “cannot fit a pint into a quart pot” and that there is overcrowding and “stresses on services”.
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    Fast forward a good 40 years and the SAME arguments are heard. They are an important part of a narrative, but there is more to it than that, and that is where it gets thorny – because it has been made to be thorny via this controlled discourse.
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    This is where decent and well presented sites like Western Spring come in. We have the arguments – and we also dare tread into matters where others would flinch or bend at the knees.
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    The Nationalist Unity Forum is another site which aims to put over a message and policy position to the public, in a good way which people may be able to appreciate. I cannot think of many more ‘general’ sites in Britain which are professional enough to take a clean line through social and national issues whilst remaining ideologically sound to our cause.
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    What we actually do about it, if anything, is another matter entirely.

    1. In the principle article it says that “Polish immigrants have the potential to integrate into British society without there being a lasting transformation of our society”. Well, that’s entirely (as the prophet Enoch might have said) a matter of numbers. Of course a small and scattered minority of foreign whites can be absorbed without significant effect, but when 25% of births in small country towns like Boston are to east European women, then the effect on the nature of the population is both substantial and lasting.

      This, after all, is England and the English have a right to a homeland of their own in which the people remain actually, visibly and consciously English, the lineal descendants of those who inhabited the same land in past centuries, NOT some kind of amalgamated, all-purpose Euro-people whose identification with England will at best be diluted and compromised.

      1. Whilst it is true that Poles can assimilate into our society better than asians and blacks can if they come in very large numbers then that poses assimilation problems of its own just like Enoch said. The fact is if you let into your country immigrants of any race/ethnicity by the tens of thousands (and certainly in the hundreds of thousands) then said immigrants will congregate amongst themselves and form distinct communities and that will act as a natural barrier to their being assimilated. You can’t ignore the numbers factor when talking about immigration.

  2. I think the limited discussion & moaning about the Polish etc that is allowed is simply safety valve politics.
    The real agenda is to allow non white immigration into white countries so as to destroy them as white countries & culture.
    Who does that benefit?

  3. Yes, of course it is. The media only want a discussion within tight PC constraints. If the debate veers into subjects like the race of the immigrants then that is when said debate rapidly ends.

  4. That’s why the powers that be like to refuse giving asylum to white South Africans in Britain, but the borders are wide open for all those from Somalia,

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