Henry: Hi Kevin, you’re looking cross today, what’s the problem?
Kevin: It’s the state of the country – immigration, the EU, the loss of jobs, street crime – you name it, its all going wrong!
Henry: I know what you mean, Kevin, if only there was a political party that represented our views – a party like the BNP, or the English Democrats – but one that was successful.
Kevin: Too right, there are lots of parties like that, you know nationalist parties of one kind or another, but they all fail to gain the kind of mass support needed to get elected.
Henry: Sadly, it’s been that way for as long as anyone can remember. Why going back to around the turn of the last century there have been around forty nationalistic political parties of one type or another that have come and gone, and they all failed to make any real political impact.
Did you know that in the general election of 1918 a party called the ‘National Party’ managed to get two MPs elected to Westminster, but the party eventually collapsed and was wound up in 1921?
Kevin: Really? I thought the BNP under Nick Griffin had been the most successful nationalist party of all time. Griffin was always telling everyone that, but that’s obviously not the case, then?
Henry: Its debatable really. Some people would argue that the two MEPs that the BNP got elected the European Parliament represents greater success than two Westminster MPs, especially when the BNP did also got a representative on the GLA and a few dozen local councillors as well.
Kevin: Yes, I suppose it is debatable, because you could argue that just scraping over the minimum threshold necessary to get a list candidate elected under proportional representation, is a darn sight easier than getting an MP elected to Westminster under the first past the post system?
Henry: Too right, mate, I’d like to see Griffin’s BNP pull that one off!
Kevin: Seriously, I’d like to see any British or English nationalist party pull that off, but they just can’t seem to get their acts together. That’s what’s so frustrating!
Henry: The problem is that people get dissatisfied with the current government and when they decide that they must take action, they go at it, bull at a gate fashion, without any proper planning or forethought.
Kevin: What do you mean?
Henry: Well, imagine that you are walking down the street, and there’s a girl that you really like the look of. You don’t know her at all, but she’s really gorgeous …
Kevin: Yeh?
Henry: Well, if you walked straight up to her, dressed as you are now in just your jeans and tee shirt and without any proper introduction asked her for sex, what do you think would happen?
Kevin: She’d turn me down Henry, and perhaps even slap my face. No girl would respond positively to that sort of an approach. A girl needs to be wooed.
Henry: Exactly, she’d take one look at you and not knowing who you are or anything about you, would find the directness of your approach highly inappropriate, especially if just as you asked her, someone else walked past and called out, “You don’t want to have anything to do with him, he’s a right nasty piece of work”.
Kevin: Yeh, there’s no way she’d respond positively under those circumstances, but what’s this got to do with nationalist politics?
Henry: Well, launching a nationalist political party and standing in elections without adequate preparation, is rather like approaching that girl in the way we’ve just discussed.
Firstly, the public will know very little about the party or the people in it, in the same way that the girl will not know anything about you.
Secondly, nationalist parties always have to contend with denigration by the mass media and organisations such as Searchlight, who turn up at election time to tell everyone what ‘nasty’ people we are, in an attempt to put people off us before we even have a chance.
Just as that girl would have no way of knowing that the passer by who tried to warn her off you was a nasty piece of work himself, who had a long-standing and completely unfounded grudge against your family, so the public don’t realise that there is a nexus of individuals from Britain’s oldest and most firmly entrenched ethnic minority who own and control the mass media and who sponsor organisations like Searchlight.
Just think for a moment and tell me how you might approach that hypothetical girl we’ve been talking about in a different way?
Kevin: I could observe her for a while until I get an idea of the kind of places she likes to go to and then contrive to meet her on another occasion when I can present myself in a better light?
Henry: Good idea.
Kevin: If I could meet up with her again at a time when I’m better dressed and look more affluent, that would help for sure.
Henry: And if you had a nice car that you could ask her out in – few girls are going to want to go out with a man who can’t even afford a car – and if you could somehow convey the impression that you have good career prospects and would make a good provider …
Kevin: So what you’re saying is, that in order to maximise my chances of getting off with an attractive girl, I need to spend some time acquiring the kind of assets and position in society that would enable me to make a favourable impression?
Henry: Exactly! You need to be able to demonstrate to her that you are the sort of person that both knows how to treat a lady well, and has the capacity and wherewithal to do so too.
Furthermore, you will need to woo her gradually and over a period of time before your relationship is strong enough to ask her for sex.
Kevin: So, what you’re saying is that nationalists need to invest some time and effort in order to acquire the assets, the funding and the reputation, such that they can impress the public with their capacity to both win in elections and also run the country properly afterwards.
Henry: Correct! A political party that is launched before the public with no means of funding, with no community power base and little in the way of assets or reputation has no chance of winning their confidence. The public will sense that such a party will not only act impetuously and in an ill-thought out way should they ever get elected, they will also see that such a party has no chance of getting elected in the first place, because they lack the funding and infrastructure necessary to get their message across. The public will therefore vote for the least worst of the parties that they think do stand a chance of getting elected.
That’s why at present, people continually vote for either Labour, the Conservatives or the LibDems. The public know the establishment parties are corrupt and are going to continually betray our people, but they vote for the one that is the least worst – the one they think will do the least damage.
Kevin: I see now, but you mentioned something about a community power base, what’s that?
Henry: It’s a body of people who represent a political party’s ‘natural constituency’. For example, when the Conservatives started out they had the support of the landed gentry and the middle classes. They could count on these people for their bedrock support and these people knew in those days that they could count on the Conservatives.
Kevin: And Labour?
Henry: The Labour Party had the unions and working class people. Labour knew they could count on the bedrock support of the working classes and the working classes knew they could rely on the support of Labour.
Kevin: Not any more they can’t!
Henry: No, and neither is there the same relationship between the Conservatives and their initial ‘natural constituency’, but there was during the parties’ formative years, when it counted.
Today, both Labour and the Conservatives have become divorced from their original community power bases. They and the LibDems are now in the clutches of a global plutocracy who keep them in office through the power of the mass media.
Through the power of the mass media, the original community power bases of all the establishment parties have been fragmented and deracinated, just as the parties concerned have become corrupted and deracinated.
If we nationalists are to win, our first task is to reconstitute our fragmented and deracinated people into proper communities once again, in which the people enjoy fellow feeling and identify as a distinct group with common interests and a common destiny.
We nationalists have the opportunity now, to win the support of all the people who once represented the natural constituencies of the old parties, because all of these people have been deserted by the old parties. But we can’t do this in elections as a political party initially, because that’s like asking for sex the moment you meet someone.
We need to invest time first of all, in community building, in acquiring the assets and the funds and the reputation that will give us credibility in the eyes of the public. Then once this is done and we launch an electoral campaign to save our nation, we will have credibility in the eyes of the public and they will vote for us in large numbers because they will know us and know of our good work and they will both perceive and believe that we can win.
We need to build a movement around community activism and mobilise our support that way, before we even think about launching new political parties.
Kevin: Yeh, we can’t just walk up and ask them for sex!
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by Max Musson © 2012
Rob Williams
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Well, a nationalist party which honours the evolution of Western freedom, including (homo)sexual freedom, whilst guarding the country from being overtaken by foreign savages, would be the most immensely important step in my book.
Because what good is it defending yourself from Sharia, when it appears that a great many nationalists want society to become sharia Western style.
Max Musson
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Hi Rob, I think you will find that there is a range of attitudes among nationalists with regard to sexual mores, both heterosexual and homosexual, but I’m not aware of any significant number wishing to introduce anything that could accurately be described as Sharia style legislation. However I imagine that it all depends upon the degree of sexual ‘freedom’ that you envisage?
Most nationalists would be comfortable with consenting adults enjoying privacy in their own homes, but few would want to see lewd or lascivious displays of sexual promiscuity in public.
As far as homosexuality is concerned, again, few nationalists would object to modest displays of affection in public, while almost all would object to the sight of semi-naked, lewdly gyrating, cross dressed males, gay-parading their way through our streets in inappropriately provocative costumes. Similarly, most nationalists would find comparable public displays involving simulated sex acts by heterosexuals equally distastful.
Rob Williams
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No sex on the streets please! To me it doesn’t matter whether it’s a cross-dresser or an actual woman gyrating half naked in the middle of a public square, if it’s unpleasant to most people, then I suppose society will try and reprimand this behaviour. But a fine handed out by a police officer is something altogether different to being beaten by a bunch of thugs and I will NEVER accept renegade muslim vigilantes in East London threatening gays and women for acting indecent in “their” streets. Indigenous indecency always has precedence over alien (faux) authority.
To me such individual liberties are what makes the West a great civilisation (yeah sounds a bit Guardianasta cringeworthy, I know). I suppose many other nationalists would fear it is a sign of a weakened / weakening society. I understand both sides of the argument. However, gays, lesbians, transgender people are the first to experience violence at the hands of foreigners from cultures which are not so liberal towards them and a great many of them have become nationalists themselves but are ostracised from nationalist groups or websites because they don’t fit the mould.
I do believe that heterosexual males are the pinnacle of white society, and I would hate for them to all go homosexual or transgender, because I fear that might in fact herald our demise for sure. A great many gays do act hideously, it’s no surprise half the amount of nationalists see them as a threat – worse still when the worst of them are imposed on us in the media. But nevertheless, don’t throw the baby out with the bath water. There’s some courageous noble wise individuals there, with alternate sexualities, and despite having been ostracized and bullied all their lives, they would be the first to give their life for their kith and kin.
If their DNA is indigenous then they are just as much part of a nation as anyone else belonging to that group.
Max Musson
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You seem to be very concerned with individual liberties in so far as they apply to public displays of sexuality, but the key to this whole issue is whether or not the behaviour concerned is in keeping with accepted custom, the occasion and the location.
One thing that we must always keep in mind is that the overwhelming majority of people are heterosexual, plain and simple, and therefore sexual mores will tend to be determined by what they, the overwhelming majority, regard as appropriate and in good taste. People who have sexual inclinations that do not conform to the straight heterosexual norm cannot therefore expect society in general to be as accepting of their behavioural peculiarities as we are of behaviour which does conform.
As long as such activity is between consenting adults, people who have sexual inclinations that do not conform to the straight heterosexual norm should be free to indulge their desires in private, but they must be adult enough to accept that in public, the boundaries between what may be considered decent or indecent are likely to be more restrictive than would apply to the straight heterosexual norm. Furthermore, the more individuals with abnormal sexual inclinations ‘push the envelope’, as far as public displays of their sexuality are concerned, the more likely someone is to object and react in a hostile way. This is only to be expected and it is childish to expect anything else.
If one considers nudists or naturists for example. No-one who enjoys such pursuits would expect to be able to walk naked down their local high street on a Saturday morning whilst doing their shopping, but they could rightly expect to be able to frolic naked to their hearts content on a designated nudist beach, in a naturist park or at some other less formal location where long standing custom has enabled nudity to take place unremarked.
Many people quite rightly feel outraged by young women who venture out in public dressed like prostitutes and by gay men who choose parade their sexuality in public in a provocative manner, and any individuals who conduct themselves in such a manner must accept that in doing so they run the risk of provoking the hostility of others.
Having said that, there is no justification for members of the public to hunt down or persecute eccentric individuals who are harmlessly going about their business and conducting themselves in a perfectly decent manner, and as a matter of principle, we should certainly not tolerate attempts by immigrant groups to impose with menaces their cultural norms upon our people.
Rob Williams
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“there is no justification for members of the public to hunt down or persecute eccentric individuals who are harmlessly going about their business and conducting themselves in a perfectly decent manner.”
So, persecution is justified if they do walk naked down the street. Is nudity such a terible offence that is justifies violence?
I don’t think you’ll ever find a White British majority of people supporting those dreamt up policies. So, it will be you who have to adapt to the customs and mores of the majority.
Max Musson
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Hi Rob, the second sentence of this comment of yours, in which you make an unfounded assumption, doesn’t follow from the statement of mine that you quote.
I think you are trying too hard to find something contentious to argue about. Why not join the British Democracy Forum, that’s full of prickly argumentative types and you’d probably have a ball.
Rob Williams
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The second sentence was a question. Perhaps you could actually give an answer to it, rather than resorting to accusing me of trying to “pick” an argument. Do you expect everyone to simply compliment you on your blogs?
Or is it because now that you’ve used the word persecute, you find yourself caught out, and you can no longer hide behind the sort of oblique speech that is reminiscent of Cameron, Blair, and the likes of Griffin. Never heard of the BDF, if you know them, it will probably be because you’re more suited to them.
I consider myself a real Western nationalist. Why don’t you join the ranks of Sharia U.K. You seem the type who’d love that type of society, which makes you an enemy of true white nationalism.
Diane Green
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What you say about preparation etc is all very true.
However,what if the gorgeous girl is desperate?For a relationship,for sex?For a strong Nationalist party which will protect her from the oncoming chaos and violence?
Max Musson
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In the context of this article she would not be a typical member of the public, but if such a desperate woman has encountered Western Spring, I would say that she has found what she is looking for and she should arrange to join us as soon as possible.