Max Musson:
Despite the euphoria that has accompanied UKIP’s dramatic advances during the recent local and European elections, we must not allow ourselves to be carried away by thoughts that Nigel Farage and his party are about to lead us to salvation.
UKIP is a party of the political establishment. It’s members do not regard the party as such, but Farage has tailored the party’s policies so that while they appear to chime with popular public sentiments on the key issues of Europe and immigration, they will not disrupt or threaten the existing political establishment in any significant way.
It is true that UKIP as a party does have many members who are patriotic and nationalistic in outlook, and the party has acquired a reputation for being the party that wants to ‘control’ immigration and get us out of the European Union, but as I have stated previously, UKIP is essentially a populist reactionary party, rather like a more upbeat version of the Tory Monday Club that has simply detached itself from the right-wing of the Conservative Party.
UKIP go to great lengths to deny that they are ‘racist’, i.e. that their policies are racially based, and with regard to immigration, they simply want to reduce immigration to levels that they believe will be more manageable and which can be made more acceptable to a larger proportion of the public. In short, they feel that our ‘frog’ should be ‘boiled more slowly’ and this will not solve the racial and genetic obliteration of our people, it will simply slow the process and thereby make it more insidious.
If one takes a look at the list of candidates that UKIP have put forward in the recent elections, then without sifting through to identify those with Jewish names or the non-Whites with European sounding names, obviously foreign names such as Odze, Nyogeri, Aadahi, Kola, Shukla, Gadhvi, M’Barki, Tahir, Oshodi and many more besides, jump out of the page, making it quite clear that UKIP is a multiracial party. Furthermore, given Nigel Farage’s emphatic pledges that UKIP will have nothing whatsoever to do with even the most moderate of European nationalist parties such as Marine Le Pen’s Front National, and given UKIP’s prohibition, disqualifying former members of the British National Party, the National Front, the British Freedom Party, the British People’s Party, the English Defence League, Britain First or the UK First Party from joining UKIP, it is unlikely that UKIP will move to embrace truly nationalist policies any time soon.
Once we acknowledge that UKIP are essentially an establishment party, the true impact of this month’s elections becomes apparent and we must fully acknowledge that here in Britain, other than in a very few exceptional instances, truly nationalist candidates and the political parties they represent, have been annihilated at the polls.
Furthermore, as a result of their electoral successes and the public perception, fostered by the media, that they are our nation’s premier patriotic party, UKIP have been ‘parked’ as an insurmountable electoral ‘road-block’ blocking the path of all genuine nationalist parties who seek to advance our cause by electoral means. They block our path and with the support of the media they will continue to do so for as long as the media choose.
If we look at the performances at the polls of genuine nationalist parties here in Britain, we see a picture that broadly speaking will be very depressing for many. Other than in around twenty wards nationally, nationalist candidates attracted the support of less that ten percent of the electorate, and in probably the majority of cases attracted less than two percent. Only in Marsden Ward in Pendle and Queensbury Ward in Bradford, where Brian Parker and Paul Cromie both succeeded in retaining their respective seats were nationalist candidates successful, both very creditably beginning third terms of office.
These two men should be widely applauded as heroes of British nationalism – for keeping the flame alight during one of our darkest hours – but even so, they are the few exceptions that break the rule and we should not be misled into believing that electioneering will offer us much hope or comfort in the years ahead, at least until we have begun to acquire the Six Prerequisites.
Instead, we nationalists generally must undergo a taking of stock and a radical re-appraisal of our methods if we are to substantially advance our cause, let alone have any prospect of saving our nation.
Until now, the leaders and activists of the existing nationalist micro-parties have deluded themselves that if they just persist for long enough, somehow, someway, as if by magic, there will be the significant electoral breakthrough they have waited for all of their lives. However, this month’s elections have shown finally and once and for all that there is no credible prospect of a nationalist electoral breakthrough for some considerable time to come.
The micro-parties can attempt to ape UKIP, but one only has to put oneself in the place of the average voter to see that if the public are tempted to vote for an anti-immigration, anti-EU party, they are overwhelmingly more likely to vote for UKIP than a small, hitherto electorally unsuccessful alternative. As I have already stated, “UKIP have been ‘parked’ as an insurmountable electoral ‘road-block’ blocking the path of all genuine nationalist parties who seek to advance our cause by electoral means.”
Clearly, for the foreseeable future, we nationalists have no choice but to advance our cause, as we at Western Spring have been advocating for some time, by non-electoral means and if we are to have any hope of success via non-electoral means, we must be organised as we at Western Spring have advocated and we must acquire the Six Prerequisites.
The leaders of the nationalist micro-parties (and I include the much reduced BNP in this group) can now no longer argue credibly that we at Western Spring are wrong, because electioneering is now exposed as a cul-de-sac and we are the only organisation that has an established strategy to take us forward by any other means.
We would welcome approaches from either individuals, groups or whole parties interested in becoming part of Western Spring. Please email me [email protected] .
By Max Musson © 2014
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Brin of the family Jenkins
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Had matters been straightforward the media would have been talking about the political shift non stop. I posted this on several media political blogs, and it just seems to evaporate!
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Why are the press not writing about the monumental changes required by UK voters?
Are they under orders to stay silent?
How can Cameron just pretend its business as usual?
His arrogance knows no bounds, the public want changes and his referendum promises are past their sell by date, talking about a new EU President is immaterial to us now and demands for evermore cash outrageous. Out of the EU means out, anything else is sticking ones head in the sands.
Should the new power in town not be taking an initiative now? Is Nigel Farage be taking a holiday from leading UKIP?
What do they need to concentrate their tiny minds? A bloody revolution perhaps?
johnb
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Well Max, I can argue that you are wrong and I will. The biggest winner at the polls was apathy the almost two thirds who did not vote. Their reasons primarily amounted to that it made no difference which way they voted.
The second winner was all those who believed that Farage was a voice for nationalism. They believed wrongly of course but as Farage is now put in the position of put up or shut up, he can not put up so they will soon have to find another outlet.
And of course thew fact that thew western monetary system is living on borrowed time.
Aptos was not a mistake it was an experiment in Euthanasia, in just how far the populace will cooperate in its own destruction.The findings were that the people have had enough.
Also the hard left as typified by Syrizia is now a substancial group in Europe, who have pledged to do away with the banksters austerity system. They now have to put up, and because they really have no answer but to demand more cash from the banksters to subsidize more government sinecures, something that the Germans will not do, so they cannot ” put up” either.
Of course to UKIPs rulers the notion of repudiating public and private debt, is completely anathematic, and since debt if not repudiated is now totally out of control. UKIP will soon be not much more in public memory than a picture of Nigels big mouth flapping
What is in the offing is complete public disillusionment with the current political and financial establishment, coupled with dire economic straits and that means more people will actually pay attention to rational nationalistic socio-economic arguments.
Watch Greece. It is now the canary in the mine shaft.
Max Musson
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John, you are of course right that only a minority of people voted in the local elections, as is usual in recent times, but there is no avoiding the fact that the nationalist parties were annihilated at the polls.
PharmaPhil
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I wouldn’t have thought Nationalists would see UKIP as Nationalist, maybe the general public do, I think they (the public) see them as a safe protest vote.
I hope they serve as useful stepping stone for the public to accept something away from mainstream thinking & destroy the old parties into the bargain.
Brin of the family Jenkins
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I hope so, maybe a bit fore-lone. My worry is that politics have failed us and I know the vote may not always what’s at the count. We sealed all of the area boxes at the previous MEP and some council elections, my wife stood so we had an extra interest. The following morning we saw that all of our seals had been broken.
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Looks like G. K. Chesterton’s birthday is going to pass by this site as quietly as St. George’s Day did. ;o)
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For those interested:
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NEITHER PROGRESSIVE NOR CONSERVATIVE: THE ANTI-MODERNISM OF G.K. CHESTERTON, by Keith Preston: https://alternative-right.blogspot.jp/2014/05/neither-progressive-nor-conservative_29.html
BritishActivism
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Although being somebody who voted for Brian Parker (BNP) in this years local elections, for reasons I explained in a previous article comment section here, I still believe Max is correct in his diagnosis of nationalist party politics.
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To briefly sum up why I voted for Brian this year (despite me not being remotely interested in the BNP for quite a number of years now), it was primarily because Brian seems to actually be a good councillor and tries to get ordinary things done for people in his area. He has ‘worked the ward’ for many many years now – and has become known, recognised and, I think, trusted. He volunteers to litter pick, he fixes the lights, the roads, the pathways, the fencing and so on. He seems to genuinely bothered about these things.
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I also suspect he faces a hard task in the local council and town hall, being surrounded with Pakistanis and various liberals who will not exactly be forthcoming with help and advice, or indeed funds, to get Brian’s issues dealt with. I believe he turns up to oppose new Islamic “community centres” in the town too and all that sort of thing – and that is not always an easy and pleasant thing to have to try and come away from doing, particularly if you are well recognised and a bit of a character – as Brian is.
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For selfish reasons (in terms of both myself and my immediate family), I also voted for Brian in the vague hope that this part of town may get a “reputation” for containing a lot of “far right” people and thus slow down the inward flow of Pakistanis – a process that is more than gaining some headway already in what must be one of the last bastions of majority white wards in the town. Whether it will keep some of them at bay is unknown, and may be wishful thinking, but I hoped it would be some kind of smoke signal that the area still has a “BNP presence”.
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However, with all that being said – and certainly with no disrespect intended towards Brian – it was still pretty hard to watch a clip of the election win itself which had been posted on the BNP website. This of course gives the impression that this ‘historic victory’ is a sign of being back on ‘the up and up’ as a party and how they are “back in the black” when it comes to the finances …..and even more strangely, suggesting that special new tactics were being used that are to be rolled out all over the country to try and get the same results.
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I found it telling that the usual troops were there in this tiny little area within a former mill town of no real special significance. Clive Jefferson, Adam Walker and Nick Griffin, who seems to be joining in a celebration at a local public house later, all seemed to present on the night. Again, no disrespect to Brian Parker, far from it, but as a resident of the area I think it is a little bad sad that this was pretty much the highlight of the BNP’s election run. Compared to only a handful of years ago, it is obviously a shadow of its former self.
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But they are not alone, are they? It seems to me like all true nationalist parties are squarely punched back onto their behinds and have it ALL to build up again. That has to be depressing and a sobering thought to anybody still blindly devoted to the political route alone. No wonder so many people fall away and pack it all in. Defeat after defeat, loads of work and effort dwindling back to nothing – time after time.
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Regarding UKIP, I think we all feel that it is silly to look any kind of gift-horse in the mouth and that we needed to make the best of all opportunities to push things further towards our direction. That is the reason why I, amongst others, voted for UKIP in the EU elections.
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However, whilst this is still true, it does not make what is said in this article about them wrong, or mean that other things cannot be being done.
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The logic of continuing on with politics alone seems terribly flawed to me – and I have been awaiting some kind of response from some of the better micro-parties to explain as to how the thinking behind Western Spring is wrong. No such articles have been published, to my knowledge. This, to me, speaks some degree of weight in itself.
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There may well be doubts about how it can be achieved, how it can be built, whether some of the aims and objectives are feasible and whether this battered movement can find energy and enthusiasm to push things forward from our doldrums…. but when it comes to the basic logic of how the world works and how the movement works, I fail to see how it can be argued against, particularly if countered on the terms of solely seeking electoral routes again in the future.
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The BNP, after their “stunning win” in Pendle (and despite the disastrous EU showing), seemed to be saying on their website that they are still committed to party politics.
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There is a sense of delusion over there that if things were just tweaked here and tweaked there, and if we just got a fairer ride from the media, or if UKIP were not there, or whatever, they would be romping home to victory for this country. It is like some Scooby-Doo cartoon with the stalwarts saying “If it wasn’t for those pesky kids”…
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It is awful to have to demoralise these people who still tend to believe this nonsense on the BNP site, but they are certainly not living in the real world as I see it. I admire their positive thinking and their determination to keep up a fight – but I wish it was something being done more productively than continuing on with the same tired displays.
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To those who are really reluctant to give up their attachment to parties, one of the things about this different approach is that it does not really mean abandoning whatever it is they do now.
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In time, I am sure they will come to see the logic in doing things differently and then drift away from that attachment to the ballot box, but there is no real hard and fast “us or them” decision to be made (as I see it). It does not hinder other activities or need to be exclusive of them, because they are two entirely different ways of approaching the situation we face out there.
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Myself, I am not sure there are any answers or any viable solutions any more. I have had to come to terms with that, and it has been very difficult to do. However, being open to new suggestions and learning to think a bit differently about what might be possible to be done within the confines of our situation (and within the confines of how the world around us operates) is perhaps a good thing in itself – no matter what happens and no matter what people out there in micro-parties decide to do in the future.
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Western Spring has set out an alternative – and if nothing else, I think it should be being discussed soberly behind the scenes in all sorts of the other parties and groups. It is the pre-requisites and the action plan that needs to be the primary focus – any other issues around implementation or suspicions (or whatever else) should be dealt with separately.
PharmaPhil
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The BNP still doing Pyrrhic victories rather well & Nick Griffin tweeting about how will gets his seat back next time & that the BNP will outlast UKIP.
Well the NF are longer standing then the BNP but it doesn’t do them a lot of good.
Steven
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The BNP’s decline isn’t just because the media constantly hype-up this nonsensical ultra-Tory party called UKIP and demonise the BNP although they have been significant factors. Some of the causes are found within the BNP itself:
https://durotrigan.blogspot.co.uk/2012/02/beyond-fringe-building-credible.html
https://durotrigan.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/beyond-fringe-building-credible.html
https://durotrigan.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/beyond-fringe-building-credible_16.html
https://durotrigan.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/beyond-fringe-conclusion-and.html
BritishActivism
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That’s right. Yet there seems to be an inability to recognise this within the BNP itself – and with the endless flow of short term members and supporters it seems to bring through the gates, it is both less likely to face up to this and less likely that the current supporters will recognise it whilst they are still energetic and lapping it all up.
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It will probably be only been seen when the wind is knocked out of their sails or when they see it first hand for themselves, like many of us here.
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As for Durotrigan…..I did wonder what happened to him. I used to visit his site quite regularly, even though we did verge off in different directions over some topics and focussed our attentions in different ways. Like so many others, he seemed to just vanish into the night.
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Maybe he has resurfaced under another identity or helped established a venture he was briefly talking about once. Maybe he has packed it in, or sadly, is no longer with us. It does make you wonder.
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It even makes you wonder where all those nationalist members and supporters have gone to over the last 30 years, chewed up and spat out by a movement that in hindsight could only serve up such a fate for them. It seems such a waste.
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Steven
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Yes, it is real shame he is no longer blogging. I rarely disagreed with him and visited his excellent site virtually every day. Judging him from his blog posts, he was obviously a pretty intelligent and well-educated guy and we need many more people like him in our movement. I do hope he hasn’t left nationalism entirely and I certainly hope he hasn’t died or had a serious injury in some way!
Donna
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If we don’t open our boarders to everyone we’re called racist, if we open our boarders to all,our identities will be lost and our countries will be destroyed. Which one can you live with, being called a name or losing everything your forefathers built and left you?
PharmaPhil
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Yes the names won’t hurt us but the sticks & stoning’s will.
Steed
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Furthermore, UKIP’s success will now pull many patriotic dissidents away from non-electoral efforts, back into the electoral game. The Establishment wants people to see voting as their best or only chance for change. Therefore I personally do suspect that UKIP are a cleverly-designed, or groomed, option so that patriots remain bound to voting yet see very little change. And even if UKIP had a positive effect on immigration and helped pull the UK out of the EU, fact remains their ideology is still an economic one, not one governed by the noble and eternal laws of nature and cultural greatness.
Steven
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You are right about UKIP. It’s a party that sees things in terms of money like their Tory forbears. Immigration ISN’T to do with money and anyone who sees the issue in primarily monetary terms is NO nationalist.
UKIP is an ultra-Thatcherite Tory Party and thereby globalist and obsessed with money. In short, it is NOT a nationalist party in anyway and the sooner it disappears the better. Hopefully, the good people of Newark will deal a blow to this media-puffed party next Thursday and their decline can then begin.
BritishActivism
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I’m not so sure that they have been entirely orchestrated for such a purpose. That is not to say they don’t fulfil such a purpose, but I think that (given the way things are) they just fill a void that will tend to be there regardless. I am sure most if not all UKIP movers and shakers believe in the views they express, which, sadly, are not entirely our views.
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I said years ago that UKIP may actually prove to be dangerous because it sucks away the kind of narrative that ought to being discussed – and thus delays any real action on these fundamental issues from being taken. I have become a little more pragmatic over the years in regard to UKIP though – and like anything else, we have to continue to plough our own field and use whatever tools are out there to our advantage in any way we can. That is up to us.
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Many seem to believe that UKIP are secret nationalists and are just “boxing clever” – like a whole raft of “cultural nationalist” parties aimed to be pushing a few years back. I have never been one for “boxing clever” and dancing around the houses.
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Yes, careful tone and careful propaganda needs to be issued, but the problem with the “boxing clever” brigade is that if you only talk about welfare, housing, hospitals and so on, you have no argument left if the nation continues to “cope” with it or if the government ever does solve some of these overcrowding problems or tinkers with the welfare state.
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What do these people argue with then? They have nothing. Nothing other a load of hot air and people they have led up the garden path – people who are still going to be incapable of arguing the thorny issues that need to be argued.
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Keenan Malik wrote a very insightful article (from the “lefts” perspective) last year about what are essentially the long moans still argued by UKIP today. His article was not about UKIP in the slightest, but more about the way the country has taken in and absorbed “wave after wave” and that the arguments about overcrowding, housing, schools, hospitals is pretty much the exact same as it was in the 1950s and 1960s.
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I think we can all see that it may never really have been about this issues – and that they were often a mask for other concerns about the transformation taking place. But how well have these arguments held up since the 1950’s? What effect has it actually had? Pretty much none at all.
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That is why I suspect that we have to continue on with proper nationalism, arguing our true corner, building up whatever we can so that when the “allowed” rhetoric and masks continue to fail, we are still standing. If we can use the change in society that UKIP brings, all the better.
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In general, I think it is not a very wise use of our time to try and stymie their efforts or to spend all our time doing them down or arguing over them. Let’s recognise them for what they are, but never lose sight of our own stances and our own tasks ahead.
Shaun
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In some ways, UKIP are a positive force. They have given the sheep a reputational shield, so they, the 95% who can’t think for themselves, are ”allowed” to vote for non-mainstream parties — oh, the horror…. Nevertheless, the author of this article is right! We need, as a movement, the 6 prerequisites otherwise the media (our friend really if used the right way) will build up fake nationalist parties like UKIP until we are no longer a threat.
Is it too hard? Is it too hard to compete with the liberals, the businessmen and the Joos? Well, if it is, we deserve to be taken other — I’m sick of all the nationalists and their winging. There is a job to do: will we do it?
Angus
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We must take control of our country while we still have one.
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/31/world/europe/european-border-agency-reports-surge-in-illegal-migration.html?_r=0
Angus
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We must stop this madness
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10864359/Surge-in-illegal-migration-after-Libya-threat-to-flood-EU.html
Michael Woodbridge
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Turn to the UKIP website and one is immediately confronted by a photo’ of Nigel Farage surrounded by a group of jovial coloured people. The same applies to some of his election meetings where the front two rows were likewise reserved for a similar ‘happy clappy’ brigade.
Well certain vested interests may be reassured that UKIP is no real threat to their intrigues, that the EU would merely be replaced by a further expansion of free-trade,’global-capitalism’; but will such posturing reassure the British people that they might get their county back?
Tony L
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The annihilation is even worse than stated because Paul Cromie stood as an Independent and has publicly repudiated nationalism
Fionn Westron
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I was watching a question time segment from UKIP. On it a black man of Carribbean background, so it seemed, stated how he voted UKIP.
Initially one thinks this man is voting against immigration, and he is, but on closer inspection we see, he really is voting against white immigration and has no real problem with non-white immigration, as it means his ethnic group and the locale of Britain he lives in, which has been Caribbean-ised, is further protected and made stronger.
It turns out this black man is a real racist, because when explaining his decision to vote UKIP, he described his fears of EU immigration. (he feared masses of EU eastern European, immigration, which means white people, flooding his locale, which no doubt was predominantly his own Caribbean kind)
“Vote for UKIP it’s a real vote”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHJ3FVGakWg&list=UUPrq5jU7ne6Ap95ctDYryfw
Here we see a black Caribbean ethnic person, displaying a natural instinct to protect his own ethnicity, ethnic group and what he sees as his ethnic locale (even though it is truly an English ethnic territory), but expresses a preference for his own kind over white east Europeans. This is natural and good, not so good for us white Europeans, but it highlights what the word racism means, and how it is only applied as a negative to the protection of white ethnicities and their ethnic territory.
Once again we see that racism is the natural instinct of an ethnic group to allow assert their right to protect their ethnicity and ethnic territory, it is good when non-white ethnicities do it, and it is bad or is seen as negative when whites do it.